the other is to grow the economy. if more people are at work in a growing economy, they are paying taxes, and you can get the job done that way. the president would prefer raising taxes. i understand. the problem with raising taxes is it slows down the rate of growth, and you can never quite get the job done. i want to lower spending and encourage economic growth at the same time. what things would i cut from spending. first of all, i would eliminate all programs by this test if they don't pass it. is the program so critical it is worth borrowing money from china to pay for it? if not, it goes. obama care is on my list -- i apologize if i used that determine -- term -- >> it's ok. >> thanks. i'm not going to borrow money from china to pay for things. i will cut pbs. i will take programs that are currently good programs but i think would be more efficiently run at the state level. number three, i will make government more efficient and cut back the number of employees. i would cut back agencies and departments. my cutb